Nec Code For Dining Room Outlets
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I was told today by someone that a diningroom circuit can not have any lights on it. Only receptacles. Is there anything in the NEC that states this and if so, which article. I was shocked when I heard this. It is one of the stupidest things I have heard.
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(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry,
breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling
unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch
circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and
floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop
outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for
refrigeration equipment.
Exception No. 1: In addition to the required receptacles
specified by 210.52, switched receptacles supplied from a
general-purpose branch circuit as defined in 210.70(A)(1),
Exception No. 1, shall be permitted.
Exception No. 2: The receptacle outlet for refrigeration
equipment shall be permitted to be supplied from an individual
branch circuit rated 15 amperes or greater.
(2) No Other Outlets. The two or more small-appliance
branch circuits specified in 210.52(B)(1) shall have no
other outlets.
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Kitchen has 2 small appliance circuits apart from dining room circuit
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Kitchen has 2 small appliance circuits apart from dining room circuit
I should of said all dining room and kitchen outlets shall serve no other loads. My bad.
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jw means that your dining room receptacles are required to be served by your 2 or more small appliance circuits. If your kitchen has 2, and you ran a separate circuit for your dining room receptacles, then it needs to serve those dining room receptacles only, and not lighting.
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Chas said:
I was told today by someone that a diningroom circuit can not have any lights on it. Only receptacles. Is there anything in the NEC that states this and if so, which article. I was shocked when I heard this. It is one of the stupidest things I have heard.
I agree, it's stupid. But what can you do!
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Yes, this is rediculus. And not only that, but we now have to put arc-faults on all non dedicated circuits, and our inspectors consider dining room rec. non dedicated. We also do a lot of hud, multi-family jobs in which the so called dining room may only be one rec. which is a waste of a very expensive breaker.
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It has a minimum of (2) 20 amp. SABC.. but you can have more circuits if the design calls for it..
But you still have to only use it for receptacles.. 
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Yes, this is rediculus. And not only that, but we now have to put arc-faults on all non dedicated circuits, and our inspectors consider dining room rec. non dedicated. We also do a lot of hud, multi-family jobs in which the so called dining room may only be one rec. which is a waste of a very expensive breaker.
Might be time to read a code book. :thumbsup:
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I generally run one circuit for the dining room and breakfast nook. This avoids use AFCI on the kitchen counters.
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CA just adapted the 2008 NEC. Haven't done a whole house for a awhile. Let see if I got this straight. You must put dining room outlets on one of the kitchen appliance circuits, and then it says elsewhere the dining outlets must be AFCI protected. Hmmm If you put it on the kitchen circuit there will be no AFCI protection and if you put it on its own ACFI it wouldn't be on the kitchen. Little confused. Have to break out the code book.
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CA just adapted the 2008 NEC. Haven't done a whole house for a awhile. Let see if I got this straight. You must put dining room outlets on one of the kitchen appliance circuits, and then it says elsewhere the dining outlets must be AFCI protected. Hmmm If you put it on the kitchen circuit there will be no AFCI protection and if you put it on its own ACFI it wouldn't be on the kitchen. Little confused. Have to break out the code book.
Your dining room receptacles are really just small appliance circuits. I just pull a dining room circuit and arc fault it. Or you could use gfi receptacles on kitchen counter top and arc fault the kitchen circuit.
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in canada dining room is seperate circuit only receptacles and its very clear and no such thing as a small appliance circuit only split plugs and 20a t gfci next to sinks seems like maybe were leading in this aspect ALL appliances need seperate circuits based on morals alone
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Why would anyone want to put lighting and receptacles on the same circuit?
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Why would anyone want to put lighting and receptacles on the same ciruit?
Because there is no reason not to. (Other than a few locations)
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Why would anyone want to put lighting and receptacles on the same ciruit?
You're kidding right?
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bob electric
obviously you know what your talking about glad to see someone other than booksmart and concerned about there customers well being congrats
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obviously you know what your talking about glad to see someone other than booksmart and concerned about there customers well being congrats
So explain to me how install a light on a receptacle circuit has to do with concern for a customer. Think residential wiring for this one.
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ok well its you have any knowledge of arc faults seeing as you guys want them installed everywhere that would be one reason the other reason being why would you put a light on a recep circuit unless you had to or your greed inspired plus read the cec canadian electrical code
Nec Code For Dining Room Outlets
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